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Killer Gandry
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Posted - 2011.08.19 12:51:00 -
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Cloaking is nothing else than changing the refraction of light on an object.
This however doesn't mean the object is gone. It means the light doesn't reflect it's countours back as people are used.
However EVE being a highly evolved and technical place should understand the simple physics behind this and a simple counter to this would be a pulse that reflects the mass of the cloaked object.
It's easy enough implemented to make this pulse range limited and skill dependant.
Next to being the terror of systems in a cloak you also have a new profession.
Terror of afk cloakers.
Thoughts?
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Killer Gandry
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Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.19 14:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Ingvar Angst
I don't think DScan works by visually looking for ships up to 14AU out...
Then there we have the flaw in the DScan.
What kind of pulse does it emit to detect objects far out. And what kind of counter does a cloak use to not get detected.
Sound isn't a viable option because there is no sound in space.
Certain waves can travel through space but will deteriorate over time and distance. So why isn't it possible to make some frequancy optional to counter cloaked objects to a certain limited distance due to massive deterioration and a skill to modulate the frequency more to increase the range just a tad more.
Set a certain distance limit for max skill and voila.
Not a module to be put on a stationary object but needs to be fitted on a ship. Also has a random process to follow so the automation by macro useage would become hard or impossible to maintain.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.19 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
All these threads are kinda moot at the moment, until we know what intel system CCP are designing and what they intend to do with local.
Au Contraire mon ami.
This is the Features and IDEAs section of the EVE forums.
At the moment my counterpart and me are bouncing off idea's off of eachother.
CCP sometimes actually lookes here to check for idea's from playerbase which have some viable option of being implemented in the game.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.20 14:56:00 -
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I would prefer to stick to the ideas than making this number 12949587293 flamethread. Thank you.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.20 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Robert Caldera
the cloak is not broke, so no need of ideas.
I am not saying the cloak is broken, but the way it can be countered is.
Being a cloaked ship has become a lazy laid back way to cause tears and now that there are suggestions made to make being a cloaked pilot something people have to actually work with skills again the cloakers cry out loud that it's fine as it is.
Are you afraid of your own tears?
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.20 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Actually no. Many here against these ideas, see the whole picture. Others like yourself, focus on one part of it.
To arrive at the point I am making, let me start with the basics and ask you this. How are they affecting you, while AFK cloaked?
I myself couldn't care less about afk cloakers.
I do care when someone can cause grief fr hours while only having the machine on and sitting cloaked in a system without people being able to counter it any other way than the few limited things at hand.
People actually not playing shouldn't have such an impact without a tool at hand to counter this in some form.
It's a MMORPG, not a MMOafkRPG.
Why are people so opposed to the option of training a skill to have a chance to find cloaked ships?
If you are active you won't get caught cause you move from time to time and voila.
If you are truly afk for a long period of time, why shouldn't there be a risk to you?
Disrupting enemies ISK making or whatever should involve more than just login an alt, put him or her in a covert ship in a system and cloak up.
This whole cloaking without care and go afk just made a large bunch of people lazy and the only defence I see is. " If he's afk than he can't do any harm"
You and I know just aswel why a cloaked ship has such an impact. Just that I want to see more than one side to it is what set's you off against my suggestion.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.21 21:41:00 -
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Seems to me the socalled "pvp-ers" are afraid of not being able to cause tears by one of the most abused flaws in game design.
If you are active at the keyboard you wont really be bothered with something which can scan for cloaked ships.
It's only dangerous for the afk ones.
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Killer Gandry
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Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.21 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Barbara Nichole
the very idea that you should be allowed to scan for cloaked ships is dumb on it's face.. cloaked is cloaked.. working as intended..
I never said cloaking wasn't working as intended. I said that there should be ways to scan for a cloaked ship.
Originally by: Barbara Nichole
I see cloaking as a tool that is useful to both the ganker and the gankee. if you nerf herders are successful in your campaign to ruin cloaking you will possibly remove the one way a solo player has of competing in WH's or null sec.. but eve is all about the blob right?
I see cloaking as an incomplete feature where there should be a gapfiller to scan or probe or whatever for cloaked ships.
And if your only successful way of getting competative PvP is a cloaked ship than you really should get out more often.
I also never was a promoter for blob vs blow or blob vs small group. But it's a tool that is used in null sec, high sec and low sec. But please show me the tool of finding a cloaked ship anywhere in a system?
Make it so that while you probe or scan for cloaked ships you can't use DScan and voila, that will make people think. Ow wait, that means more effort or even teamwork if your a small skirmish group.
And what if I scan for a cloaked ship and I can't see the one that aint cloaked heading towards my ocation cause I cant use DScan.
Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Cloaking is fine.. though the one thing that might make it even more fair would be removing the cloaked from local, getting rid of unrealistic free intel and allowing people to set traps for cloaked gankers.
Once again, cloaking isn't the issue, the rest of the tools surrounding the whole cloaking is.
And make the playfield even more even then and remove local totally, why should you get free intell as to who is in a system without being seen in the system yourself?
Stop being a lazy arse and play actually with a tad of risk both ways.
Or is that what you actually want to avoid?
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